Democracy ... soon? ~ Fish writer in residence #8
It’s late January, and Amy Goodman is in a small bookstore in Utah, glowing with enthusiasm over the digitally-assisted revolt in Egypt. One of the resident cats chooses this moment to start churn-barfing on the floor in front of the journalist: Hrf. Hrf. Hrf. “Maybe he’s a Mubarek ally,” she jokes. “No, not my cat!” sings his owner sadly.

Everyone here to meet the woman at the centre of Democracy Now! is humbled by and concerned about the events unfolding in Egypt (and other elder lands). But at the same time we’re also impressed with our fortune that Goodman’s visiting during Sundance to discuss the implications of these global events. I’m not meaning to slight the sprawling film festival saying this, but at that moment Egypt wasn’t the first people were talking about on the streets of Park City, dressed for the slopes. Goodman, in front of a small crowd and two cats, one barfing, was like an island of simple, delicious consciousness. And consciousness and communication are everything when it comes to helping each other make the world better.
“The corporations working with (Mubarek) in this,” she begins, “the British company Vodaphone, shut down all the communication systems in Egypt. They say they had to do that because of the Egyptian government. Thank God not everyone says, ‘Only following orders.’
“You never know when the magic moment will come. But if you’re involved with social change you are building a foundation for when that moment comes. You all help to determine history. And that’s what’s happening with the people of Egypt. That’s what happened with the people of Tunisia. In one sense you could call Tunisia’s uprising that led to the uprising of Ben Ali – who’d been there for 23 years – the first WikiLeaks Revolution. Before the documents, the cables released by WikiLeaks, certainly there was great unrest. But people were afraid to speak out. This broke the dam when they read the internal U.S. Government cables that talked about tremendous corruption, with all the information to prove it.
“And you think about what that launched. What transparency launches, because that’s what WikiLeaks is all about – getting this information out.”

Even today, a month later, as the resilient Col. Gadhaffi appeals to a crowd to dance in the streets and defend Libya from its own democratic will, the revolutionary changes in Africa and the Middle East have the potential to be (a few already are) some of the most important events in modern history. What Gadhaffi cannot undo is the fact he fired on and killed hundreds of protestors. His own people know it. I believe this information will destroy him where American assassination attempts failed.
Goodman: “I was talking to Noam Chomsky as Julian Assange was getting assailed and worse here in the U.S. I mean, he’s being dealt with very differently in other countries. People are just looking at the documents. I don’t think the story is Assange. If he had written the documents, he would be the story. You’d have to say, ‘Is this man someone you can believe?’ But he didn’t. These are U.S. government documents, first the Iraq war logs, then the Afghan war logs. These are written by the military themselves. It’s fascinating to read them because often they are what grassroots activists say about a country. What these documents show us is what is the U.S. Government’s real view of what’s going on around the world.”
Goodman pauses now and then to collect her thoughts, speaking expressively, using her hands a lot. Her voice is more soothing than the intellect and stories behind them. When she speaks at the U of A tomorrow night I’m sure we can expect the same.
“What Chomsky said, interviewing him, he said what it shows is the disdain the U.S. government has for democracy. Because it’s the way they intervene in governments, not to represent the people.”
Goodman, whose mind terrifies me with the number of details she can keep straight, asks, “How has Mubarek remained in power for so long – 30 years? The second-largest recipient of U.S. aid after Israel, something like $2 billion – more like $4 billion if you counted everything? Tunisia, Ben Ali? Hillary Clinton was, to say the least, severely criticised when she said they support the Egyptian government for its ‘stability.’ What does stability mean?
“Stabilty for business. From ATT to the spice companies like McCormick to Nike to Reebok. Stability for business. Because the same guns that gunned down the Timorese in this occupied country until they were able to vote for their own independence, making them the newest nation in the world, those same guns were pointed at the workers in the plants that provide the stability for these multinational corporations so the people don’t rise up and they don’t unionize.”
Goodman defines a less aggressive policy of stopping terrorism. “We have to really analyse what stability is. Because I do think we should be concerned about national security. We should be concerned about how we are viewed in the world. There’s a very straightforward way to be. And it’s to support democracy.”

Then, this. Goodman reminds us of one of the most horrifying things we’ve ever seen. “In Iraq, there was this attack on a group of people on July 12, 2007. There was a videotape released by WikiLeaks. A group of men are walking around, showing around two Reuters employees, Namir Noor-Eldeen, 22, up-and-coming videographer, and Saeed Chmagh – he was the driver for the Reuters crew. He had four kids. And the videotape is so chilling of what took place. The Apache military gunship overhead, they see these men and you hear them cursing, laughing: the callousness. They are constantly calling back to base, asking for permission to open fire. They are not doing this on their own. And they blast this group of men. The videotape is taken by the military, not peace activists you could accuse of editing it to make it look worse than it was. You can’t make something look worse when 12 people are gunned down.
“And they are laughing and cursing as they kill them. I think it was Saeed, who wasn’t yet dead, who’s dragging himself away from the bodies. A van pulls up - and this is an international war crime - when people come to help those who have been injured – and they get out to help the survivor. And the helicopter gunship explodes the van. Amazingly, two children survived. Saeed Chmagh was just disintegrated. Reuters demanded the videotape and they could not get it for years.
“A little while later, we interviewed a young man, a U.S. soldier who had come home from Iraq. He was engaged in a protest. He was demanding of President Obama that he stop sending soldiers with PTSD back to Iraq and Afghanistan. I asked him about his experiences and he clearly was suffering terribly. And he said there was this attack on a group of people on July 12, 2007. He was on the ground with the military group that came up on the van that had been exploded. And he ran and he saved the two children. And he said, I’m holding these kids, their intestines are all cut up and he went back to the base and told his commanding officer. ‘I need help.’ He could not get their faces out of his head. His commanding officer told him to suck it up.”

“We talked to another soldier. He wasn’t in the gunship, but only by chance, he had a cold. But when all the guys came back he was there and they were laughing and cursing and he knew what had happened. We played him the videotape and he said, ‘I don’t get why you are making such a big deal of this.’ And I said, you don’t think it’s a big deal when you blow up a group of people? ‘No, it’s not that.
“’It’s just that we do this every day.’”
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